New Primary Arms Scope

Discussion in 'Optics and Tactical Gear' started by Keith, Jan 8, 2018.

  1. Keith Moderator

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    I ordered a PA 1-6X24 Gen III scope for the 5.56 MVP Patrol. I'm just waiting on a scope mount for it. The one I ordered with the scope was too tall, so no pictures yet. I've been wanting one for a while and finally had some spare cash to get it. I figure it would be a good match for a short barreled bolt rifle since it is intended to be used on an AR platform. Initial impressions looking through the scope and manipulating the controls are quite positive.

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    Mount that I ordered with it.

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    Mount I have coming in

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    I'll use the other mount for the 7.62 MVP Patrol when I buy a new/better optic for it. So, I'm not out any money on it.
  2. spamassassin Well-Known Member

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    That PA is something special. There's another brand that has the exact same scope with their name on it at a much higher price. Since most scope companies don't actually make scopes, they contract it out to LOW or various outfits in China or Philippines, you'll find a lot of cases where the real difference is label. Fantastic choice on the AD mount. Those are killer. I know a couple pro shooters that sing praises on it. Really nice construction.
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  3. Keith Moderator

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    Thank you. I’ve been beating that dead horse for a while on what scope to get. I would have gotten the 4-14X44 FFP scope for the 7.62 MVP but they were out. Not a big deal. I have a nice scope on it now. The reticule just isn’t as good as the ACSS system.

    As far as the other brand, I believe it begins with V and ends with an X.


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  4. spamassassin Well-Known Member

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    What ret did it come with? They usually come with some pretty cool stuff. I know the guy that does all their reticle designs. Smart cookie and a lot of fun to hang out with.
  5. Keith Moderator

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    It comes with the ACSS 5.56 / 5.45 / .308 Reticle Gen III Reticule


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  6. spamassassin Well-Known Member

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    That's almost identical to the ACSS HUD/DMR. It's stupid fast to use. Trust the reticle.
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  7. Keith Moderator

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    That's the reticle I'm wanting to get for the 7.62 Patrol.

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  8. spamassassin Well-Known Member

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    Why everyone uses that ranging formula I don't know. It's massively more difficult than necessary:

    (size in yards * 1000) / (mils) = range in yards
    (size in meters * 1000) / (mils) = range in meters

    I can see that people don't like dividing by decimals in their head but it's a lot easier than they might think.
  9. Keith Moderator

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    Unfamiliarity? One thing I like about the HUD is that it has mils built into the reticle. So I can start learning and getting used to the system. Also, which way is the easiest/fastest way to calculate it in my head. A lot of that is built into the reticle already but the more familiar I am with it, the better off I’ll be in the long run.


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  10. spamassassin Well-Known Member

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    Probably but the thing is that people like me, ballistics geeks, are the ones that put these formulae on boards for folks to use. It's like most of the guys forgot that math sucks, moreso if done in your head.

    When dividing by decimals one can do the fraction conversion and then multiply by the reciprocal (which is how I do it) or simply shift the decimal point or ignore it till the end like we're taught in elementary school. But yes, the ACSS makes a point of obviating the mil relation formula entirely. The ACSS HUD/DMR has mils in it but they're not necessary with that ret at all honestly. Using it in competition I tried using the mils and the ret and the ret was the clear winner by like all the points.
  11. Keith Moderator

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    The ret was more precise than doing the math??? Wow!


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  12. spamassassin Well-Known Member

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    Yep. I didn't hit but 2-3 targets IIRC when using the calculation method. Go to using the ret and I hit 50%. It got wonky after 600yrds but was minute of dead deer-sized-animal level on anything closer. I did hit the 800 with it.
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    I have the PA 4-14x44 HUD/DMR for 308 on my 7.62 Patrol and the Mil-Dot version of the same, on my Rem 783 300 Win Mag! Dollar for Dollar you can not beat the PA Scopes, regardless of which one you get! I've had people say they are as clear as $800 or more Vortex ones! Oh and I have over 500 Magnum Rounds through the Mil-Dot one and have never had to re-zero or anything, PA Scopes are Solid...
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  14. Keith Moderator

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    They are certainly as clear as the Nikon scopes I paid twice as much for and have a better reticle. I’ve never used scopes like Spamassasin has but if he and TibaurasaurusRex say they are good scopes, that’s good enough for me. And I’ve yet to see a negative review from a reputable reviewer on them.

    That being said, I’ll still buy Leupold or another good brand name depending on the deal and the application. My 870 Express just got a 1-4x20 Leupold Turkeyplex mounted on the rifled slug barrel I have for it. And my AK based 12 gauge now has a Meprolight M21.


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  15. Keith Moderator

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    The new scope mount came in so here is a couple pictures. I’m much happier with the mount height now.

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