Doing a Match at Avenal tomorrow. New Stuff!

Discussion in 'Mossberg MVP Rifle General Discussion' started by spamassassin, Oct 21, 2017.

  1. spamassassin Well-Known Member

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    So I was supposed to shoot the match with my .308 barrel screwed into my Savage 10 that's currently painted to look like a Dodger Dog. Well, that idea went straight to crap after I found the extractor broken and a replacement parts several days away. Primary Arms' head reticle designer asked me to try one of their 4-14x44 FFP ACSS HUD/DMR scopes with my .308 though and I need to make a match for many reasons, least of all my sanity.

    Thankfully one of my .223 loads perfectly matches .308 ballistics out to 800 and then just needs .3mil extra up at 900yrds so it'll do just fine at the match. Of course that meant having to load 140 rounds of .223 (50 of each load for the match plus 20 of each for pre-match testing/verification/zeroing) suddenly. For me it's a pretty mellow load, 24gn of BL-C(2) under a 73gn ELD-M with a CCI 400 and PPU brass in 1-fire and virgin condition.

    All of that meant I needed to pull the magnetospeed adapter and Vortex Razor 2 3-18x50 off my .223 MVP and fit it with a set of 30mm Burris Signature Series rings and Vortex bubble level. My gun looks so weird right now.
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    And then there's the pile of previously on-my-MVP scopes that seems to be growing in the corner
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    I'd really rather be using my new .243AI. 5fps SD's across 10 rounds and it groups just about anything into half an inch or smaller. Those are all 10 round groups.
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  2. Keith Moderator

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    Let me know what you think of the scope. I think this might be the first report of a broken 7.62 extractor on one of these rifles. Then again, you probably use yours quite a bit more than most of us...


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  3. spamassassin Well-Known Member

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    Scored 20 of 50. Hit out to 600 pretty easily once I started trusting the reticle. Took me a pair of stages to just trust it, then I started doing very well. My best score with a .223 at that match ever was a 22 of 50 and that was a very low wind day. My best on a rough wind day like yesterday (5-30mph varying direction and gusty) was 15 so I crushed that score and it was basically due to the built in wind holds. Those took me a little longer than the drops to get in the habit of using and when I did, I started hitting like crazy, mostly. Still goose egged a couple stages.

    The Primary Arms 4-14x44 ACSS HUD/DMR scope has great glass. Very very clear and good resolution. Vastly above its price point. You can feel it in the heft of the scope and see it in the image for sure. Eye box is pretty tight. Turrets are like rubber but you don't use them except to zero the thing and they worked well for that, tracking pretty darned good. Just terrible tactile sensation. The reticle is flat out fast to use and easy but does take a little time working with to really become friends. That said, these were mostly 2moa targets and if it was deer size or terrorist size I'd have had a lot of dead targets on the ground. Could use it for bunny killin to 500 pretty easy. Illumination is meh. Yeah it illuminates but not evenly and not without some bloom. It's very very very sensitive to rifle cant so you need need need a bubble level and to set the scope up properly. Otherwise, for 250-280 bucks on the street, it's a hell of a scope. You can do long range with it. It also has mil-dots in the reticle just in case you find the need to use them.

    I got a lot of good hearted ribbing about the scope, mostly because I'm a scope snob. That said, it started out as ribbing and ended up as "OMG wow, with a .223? In this wind?" so I take some comfort in that.

    I also used the bipodExt from Accuracy Solutions and it was epic. Pulled all the jitter out and made it like shooting from a machine rest. Literally. No movement and it didn't really slow down my transitions from target to target at all. You have to own one of those if you do long range or precision shooting from prone.
  4. Keith Moderator

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    About what I expected then. It’s good to get a review from someone who has experience with high end scopes and long range shooting to get a good idea how good it really is.

    I don’t remember Rex saying anything about the tactility of the turrets but he seems to have the same opinion as you on the overall merits of the scope and the reticule.

    I’ll have to take a look at the bipod. I’m using a Harris now.

    I also want to get an anti-cant bubble level but just haven’t gotten around to it yet. Then there is the question of whether to get a fixed or folding model...


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  5. spamassassin Well-Known Member

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    The vortex fixed 30mm one was super sensitive. Great for BDC's actually. My folder on my razor 2 is much less sensitive.
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  6. Keith Moderator

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    Good to know, thanks!


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  7. spamassassin Well-Known Member

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    Now I can take that PA scope off and put my Razor back on. Looks like I'll be replacing my other razor, the one on my .243AI/308 hot dog gun with a USO B-17. I really like those new knobs and I can mount the B-17 quite a bit lower for a better cheek weld.

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